R is better if you want some very specific, niche statistical packages.

Python is better if you want to combine statistics with any other compute process.

If you learn by doing, chose the language appropriate for the pet project you are developing.

If you are writing it then you are doing it wrong.

Python, Spam, IDLE.

Monte Python have a lot to answer for.

Yes. In big established companies they are managing managers.

In smaller companies, no

You have defined legitimate casinos as only ones that don’t rig games or do scams. A priori you are correct.

There are enough illegitimate online casinos to create a problem for the whole industry.

Online casinos = scam

explain what economic incentive do legitimate casinos (licensed) to rig game

They don’t have enough users so they need to squeeze their regular punters harder.

Even your beloved “legitimate” casinos do “rig” games by offering different odds at different times to different people. They scam people by restricting the amount that can be withdrawn (and other ToS tricks). They create user interfaces to maximise player losses.

we are talking about your “taxonomy”

No. That’s what you are trying to forum slide to.

I’m sticking to the point that online casinos are scammy, including legitimate, regulated operators.

You might not be able to distinguish a legitimate casinos by a fake one,

Not just me. Any average Joe.

but if in your opinion legitimate ones also rig games, this is irrelevant.

Your doggedness for wanting agreement that some casino games may not be rigged is impressive

what users can tell is a completely separate problem.

But a problem very much related to “what’s wrong with online casinos”.

Online casinos rig games.

From the end user point of view, the subset of legitimate casinos (that, following your definition, don’t rig or scam) cannot be easily identified.

I didn’t define shit

Here is your definition (not mine) where you separate “legitimate businesses” from “scam organizations”

So when I talk about online casinos, I refer to the legitimate businesses that are gambling businesses, not scam organizations that happen to use gambling as their cover

I’m saying this line is not clear cut, particularly for the average Internet user. A yes/no answer is not possible.

I was mistakenly taking the top comment of this thread as your comment.

Easily done. Thanks for clarifying.

It’s YOUR definition

Nope. It’s you who is obsessed with separation of “legitimate casinos”.

YOU said, legitimate + fake = online. I asked to which you applied the answer and you said online.

Correct

Now you are saying it doesn’t?

Incorrect.

So, do we agree that legitimate casinos don’t rig games?

You have defined legitimate casinos as ones that don’t rig games.

Also, you mentioned taking a cut to help laundering money,

Incorrect. I said casinos are used to launder money.

now you are retracting saying “are exposed”.

No retraction necessary.

• do legitimate casinos rig games?

Online casinos rig games. You have defined legitimate casinos as ones that don’t rig games. A normal internet user cannot tell the difference.

• do legitimate casinos help laundering money?

Yes. Not necessarily knowingly. Income from internet gambling is tainted.

Your definition of “legitimate casino” excludes any casinos that rig games.

All businesses with financial operations are exposed to money laundering to some degree.

Regulations increase costs to implement. Only “legitimate casinos” fight them.

To which ones does your initial answer apply?

Online casinos.

I bet you wouldn’t be able to show me a fake casino if I asked.

https://www.askgamblers.com/online-casinos/blacklisted

The point is simple “industry” doesn’t contain the scammers who try to abuse it.

It does. To illustrate this I linked to a bank website containing advice on combating phishing.

Here’s the definition I’m happy with.

Legitimate casinos = established businesses in the casino industry

Fake casinos = scammers

Online casinos = legitimate casinos + fake casinos

Combined because users find it hard to tell the difference.

if someone is creating a new standard for banking sites

Not part of the discussion. You are straining pretty hard in your efforts to “win”.

And online casinos don’t include fake online casinos.

Yes, they do. The clue is in the name.

If we are talking about banking sites, and - say - we discuss the security measures needed on them, nobody would think to include phishing sites into the discussion, because it’s meaningless.

Incorrect. Learn to recognize ‘spoofing’ and ‘phishing’

was obviously referring to the businesses which run online casinos

Incorrect

OP was clearly talking about actual gambling businesses.

Incorrect. OP clearly wrote “online casinos”.

You clearly have a guilty conscious about the money you earned from gamblers. Or you are being paid for this shilling.

The problem with online casinos is that they are associated with a huge number of scams.

You instead provided 0 explanation about what you are claiming.

See links above why scamming and online casinos are linked.

They are not banking sites lol

You are not approaching this from a user perspective

If it looks like a banking site, then it is banking site.

If it looks like an online casino then they are an online casino.

The initial question “why are online casinos bad” clearly referred to businesses which…run online casinos

Incorrect.

My argument is that casinos don’t need to scam by rigging games.

And this opinion is incorrect. I would accept that some online casinos don’t need to scam by rigging games.

A scam site is no more a casino than a phishing site is a banking site.

Incorrect. I’ve posted multiple examples of online casino scams, including rigging the games.

Do you think banking sites are scams?

Some are.

Now you are defending the hill that some scammers use casinos as their vector for scams, which is a completely different thing, that nobody questioned also.

Look at the top of this thread. The question was “Why are online casinos bad”.

That’s why scammers usually just pirate and hack small parts of the codebase.

This is complete bullshit.

I linked to an external source showing it is not bullshit.

Your arguments for online casinos not being scams are based solely on excluding scams from your definition of online casinos.

I don’t even dignify with an answer

Rigged games is the only point you want to address, then you fail to do so when given the opportunity.

https://www.legitgamblingsites.com/blog/online-casino-scams-be-aware-of/

Casino Scam Two: Rigged Games This casino gaming scam is fairly simple. They run rigged games which let you win for a while, but ultimately rinse you of every penny. This one doesn’t require 4D chess or deviousness fit for a Bond villain, just good old-fashioned rigged software.

The scam casino software companies which create rigged games are fairly well-known by most people who play regularly online or work in the online betting industry. Respected casinos don’t work with them, and respected casino software companies don’t usually work with casinos that do. That’s an important thing to note, because it is the first step to avoiding rigged games. If you see Microgaming, Playtech, NetEnt, or other powerhouse casino software companies in the mix, it’s highly likely that you’re dealing with a legitimate online casino.

However, scam casino operators have gotten wise to this, and as a result, they run pirated versions of otherwise legit games. They’re much more difficult to spot for the untrained eye, because they are clones of the original games with a tweaked code to cheat you.

Creating a game is much more complex than putting a bunch of images and text on a web page.

That’s why scammers usually just pirate and hack small parts of the codebase.

Also in order to play casino games you need to deposit money, so you need to also develop that part, a scan shop can simply spoof the payment window and steal the card directly…

You don’t get as much money that way. Better to encourage larger deposits and “crash” when large withdrawals are requested.

If you got to know about the casino, chances are it’s a legitimate business.

Not necessarily. Popups and emails exist. Especially interesting if they offer free spins.

This has nothing to do with scamming, or rigging games, which was your initial argument.

The original question was “what is wrong with online casinos”. One answer I gave was scammers, then you pressed me for more.

Note that 7/10 items in that list are simply scams by individuals targeting other individuals and have nothing to do with casinos.

DUDE. This is the point. You can’t argue that online casinos are fine so long as you ignore all the bad casinos and scammers.

Unfair Terms and Conditions […] is absolutely true, usually in bigger or established businesses, but has nothing to do with rigging games.

Fuck me. You admit online casinos are unfair then immediately dismiss this as unimportant. Now I suspect I’m arguing against a paid troll.