Well I’m still going to tell you that gnome is bad software both from the user experience and their unwillingness to implement basic features, and that you should be using helix.
I also don’t like systemd but nixos happens to use it and I usually don’t have to deal with it so meh.
Look at the BSDs, they care about technical issues.
I do, too. But only when I’m working on it. Otherwise, as long as stuff just works, I’m perfectly happy to keep the bonnet closed. That was quite different in my early days, I actually daily-drove linux from scratch in the early 00s, but at some point you either decide to become an OS developer, or you lose interest.
>Gets (in my opinion rightfully) mad that someone called their preferred software dumb and says that it works just good for them
>Literally does the same for different software in the next statement
Why are some people like this… No, Gnome, KDE or some other stuff is not obviously bad, otherwise there wouldn’t be tons of people that really do know the different options be using and enjoying it. Just let people use it. You can list advantages and disavantages and why you personally prefer something else, but don’t call it outright bad or insult the users…
OP called users of the software stupid, not the software. While some of what gnome is is defensible and I just don’t like it, like having very little in the way of configuration options, the other part, like being unwilling to implement server-side decorations, makes it plain bad software. There’s a reason you hear people reply “well just don’t use gnome” to claims of “wayland is broken”.
Software can, indeed, be objectively bad. “Oh tastes just differ” is an appeal to false civility: No, if your bridge doesn’t get people across the river I don’t care how pretty it looks it’s broken. It might be a beautiful art piece, but it definitely isn’t a bridge.
OP called users of the software stupid, not the software.
(in my opinion the software is stupid, and users of stupid software are stupid :) because desktop environment is inefficient compared to pure window manager, and keyboard-based wm)
Well I’m still going to tell you that gnome is bad software both from the user experience and their unwillingness to implement basic features, and that you should be using helix.
I should?
I use what I want. (understand that you are advertising software here.)
I do, too. But only when I’m working on it. Otherwise, as long as stuff just works, I’m perfectly happy to keep the bonnet closed. That was quite different in my early days, I actually daily-drove linux from scratch in the early 00s, but at some point you either decide to become an OS developer, or you lose interest.
(See what technical issue I’ve written. See the pdf slides above.)
Side note there’s actually a project brining the glory of nix to the BSDs.
It’s very much a technical issue. Skimming your pdf it even talks about package building and delivery. Nixos is so good at that that I gladly put up with systemd is what I’m saying, depending on what you care about more it might even make you tolerate linux.
Well I’m still going to tell you that gnome is bad software both from the user experience and their unwillingness to implement basic features, and that you should be using helix.
I also don’t like systemd but nixos happens to use it and I usually don’t have to deal with it so meh.
I do, too. But only when I’m working on it. Otherwise, as long as stuff just works, I’m perfectly happy to keep the bonnet closed. That was quite different in my early days, I actually daily-drove linux from scratch in the early 00s, but at some point you either decide to become an OS developer, or you lose interest.
Side note there’s actually a project brining the glory of nix to the BSDs.
>Gets (in my opinion rightfully) mad that someone called their preferred software dumb and says that it works just good for them
>Literally does the same for different software in the next statement
Why are some people like this… No, Gnome, KDE or some other stuff is not obviously bad, otherwise there wouldn’t be tons of people that really do know the different options be using and enjoying it. Just let people use it. You can list advantages and disavantages and why you personally prefer something else, but don’t call it outright bad or insult the users…
In fact many “linux user” won’t tolerate others’ software :)
OP called users of the software stupid, not the software. While some of what gnome is is defensible and I just don’t like it, like having very little in the way of configuration options, the other part, like being unwilling to implement server-side decorations, makes it plain bad software. There’s a reason you hear people reply “well just don’t use gnome” to claims of “wayland is broken”.
Software can, indeed, be objectively bad. “Oh tastes just differ” is an appeal to false civility: No, if your bridge doesn’t get people across the river I don’t care how pretty it looks it’s broken. It might be a beautiful art piece, but it definitely isn’t a bridge.
(in my opinion the software is stupid, and users of stupid software are stupid :) because desktop environment is inefficient compared to pure window manager, and keyboard-based wm)
Please,
I like gnome. My only gripe is that workspaces should be per-screen. But all Linux DEs aside from a few isoteric tiling WMs get that wrong.
I should?
I use what I want. (understand that you are advertising software here.)
(See what technical issue I’ve written. See the pdf slides above.)
advertising. Don’t care.
It’s very much a technical issue. Skimming your pdf it even talks about package building and delivery. Nixos is so good at that that I gladly put up with systemd is what I’m saying, depending on what you care about more it might even make you tolerate linux.
advertising again.
The talks shows the attitude of BSD communities to each others.
Which most linux communities doesn’t have yet.