Ulrich

I know what a Commodore 64 is, brother. And you can ask all you want where to find that information. And I can keep telling you I don’t know.

I don’t know where to find that information. I’ve just seen it running.

You conveniently skipped the part

I didn’t skip anything. The solutions I listed support all of that, with the possible exception of running on old shit which…why is that even remotely relevant?

you very much can not run mastodon server on a Commodore 64.

You absolutely can. There’s an entire community dedicated to running Mastodon servers on old hardware.

Email has been a thing since the 1970s and there’s a reason why it’s still going strong.

Is it ignorant old farts refusing to embrace new technology?

Things like XMPP has been around for a good while and there’s a reason why they’re not even close of overtaking email as a primary communication technology around.

Because it came around after email and all the old farts were too committed to it to learn something new? Is it because tech oligarchs learned from their lessons and embraced, extended, exploited, and abandoned open standards? What is the reason? You tell me.

email is still working just fine and majority of the hot stuff which is around right now has faded to the history.

It doesn’t work “just fine”, it’s fucking awful. Outside of trying to host it, just using it is a nightmare. Trying to find any information is a nightmare because there’s no common communication thread, and the emails are chock full of unnecessary bloat, and everyone has a fucking signature that’s a mile long and full of giant images. You can’t send videos. There’s a bunch of tracking features built into it. It’s insecure. Like, the list goes on…

Because it’s universal, it works, it’s multi-platform, device agnostic and it’s simple to use user side. Nothing else available really fits that criteria.

I already listed a handful of other platforms that check all those same things without being a pain in the ass to host, being sucky to use, or requiring approval from your ISP.

XMPP could work for it, but nobody really uses it anymore and to be honest the standard is ugly as hell to implement.

Uglier than email? Nah.

it would again only be available from said app(unless you do use something like NTFY)

Yes, NTFY is another example I already gave.

which would generally be locked down to a device

No it’s not.

so if its already being stored for accounts, might as well use it for notifications

It shouldn’t be used for accounts. That was my entire point. I host a dozen services and half of them no one else can use because the software mandates email verification, which I can’t use because my ISP doesn’t think I should be allowed to for some reason.

So…use a different browser?

What other than email provides that?

Matrix? For one?

Browser notifications generally don’t work on mobile.

…of course they do?

if you’re not suggesting sending messages via IRC or XMPP (or matrix or…) which have their own problems.

Among others. Email has much bigger problems.

App notifications require that you have the thing which app is running to be available and online and they more often that not require some spesific device

I have no idea what any of that means…

Also I have not met an ISP which would block sending email via gmail/amazon/protonmail/whoever.

Which makes no difference when self-hosting…

Which other protocol

See above.

you can read email even with Commodore 64

I…don’t know what that’s supposed to mean. You want to argue that email is superior because it’s old? You can run a Mastodon server on a Commodore as well.

There’s just no way for any other modern service to even try to compete with versatility with email.

Yes? There are a hundred ways.

Set up a old fire alarm bell, hook it up to your home automation, process incoming emails and if it’s severe enough turn the bell on.

…why wouldn’t you just send the signal directly to the server?

The issue is that my ISP blocks it. And so any service that requires it is inherently broken.

The solution to spam is to require invitations.

I don’t know how to answer that. That’s just how they work.

It only gets wiped if you use a shitty iPhone

You can use whatever you like to read them, you don’t have to rely on a single company like Meta with WhatsApp for communication

Decentralization is not a concept that is reserved for SMTP

Personally I would absolutely hate if software started to offer notifications only on slack or signal or whatever.

No one suggested such a thing. I suggested several other alternatives that aren’t reliant on any particular company or service, and are easier to run and manage without requiring approval from your ISP or whatever else.

With other message delivery options that’s often either pretty difficult or straight up impossible.

With other options you wouldn’t need to because they already provide the features you’re looking for in those apps.

Universiality, basically

Okay so we’re just stuck with email permanently, forever, even when there are a hundred other objectively superior alternatives? No one wants to be the one to push that needle forward?

Are browser notifications not universal?

Email is my biggest frustration in self-hosting. So many services are dependent on it for reasons no one seems to be able to explain. It costs money to run it. And just the experience of email is atrocious. I don’t understand why we haven’t moved on from it. We have browser notifications, we have app notifications (both via big tech and NTFY), we have a thousand other chat platforms you can communicate through. It just boggles my mind that we haven’t moved away from this archaic technology.

It’s a blogging platform. So similar to WordPress. Although it looks a lot nicer.

The really cool thing is that it has support for payments in the Self-hosted version, which I’ve not personally seen before.

Well I hope everyone here has some experience.

I spent $200 on a mini PC. The only thing business is essentially a landing page.

Yunohost handles the security and really the majority of technical stuff for me but it’s still going to require some learning. I’m happy to help as much as I can.

I looked for a long time and never found any that didn’t have cloud connections requirements. So I settled for a “dumb” one that has automatic hot/cold switching.

What the heck is a boiler?

Signal

Your data will be on whatever server you select. It’s not “sign up with Mastodon”, it’s “sign in with Mastodon”.

No, if you sign in with Mastodon, that’s just using your Mastodon credentials to create a Pixelfed account.

This is what I was going to suggest. Have all computers running the same OS and then just sync the home directory with SyncThing.