we love google (and LLMs)
How is everyone getting this ai overview? All I get when I google something is the usual stuff.
Not using Google for ages, bit I remember that big changes on,eg, Facebook roll out gradually. So not all users at the same time.
You can also get it by clicking inspect element and writing whatever ragebait you can think of in there.
i like how the answers are the exact same generic unhelpful drivel you hear 20k times a month if you’re depressed as well. real improvement there. when people google that they want immediate relief, not fucking oh go for a walk every day, no shit. the triviality of the suggestion makes the depression worse because you know it’s going to do nothing the first week besides make you feel sweaty and looked at and alone. like if i’m feeling recovered enough to go walk every day then i’m already feeling good enough that i don’t need to be googling about depression tips. this shit drives me insane.
i like how the answers are the exact same generic unhelpful drivel you hear 20k times a month if you’re depressed as well.
It makes sense though. It was trained on that drivel.
when people google that they want immediate relief, not fucking oh go for a walk every day,
The problem is that there is no immediate relief that isn’t either a) suicide, or b) won’t make things worse in the long run. Even something like ECT doesn’t work instantly; it takes several treatments. Transcranial magnetic stimulation seems promising, but it’s not a frontline treatment. The generic shit is the stuff that actually works in the long run, things like getting therapy, exercising, going outside more, interacting with people in a positive way, and so on. “Self care”–isolating and doing easy, comfortable things–will make things worse in the long run.
I feel like the user’s suggestion of “jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge” would be more impactful in that case, you know, to awaken your survival instincts, which prevents depression.
But on the off chance that someone actually goes and jumps off, a professional would probably not give that advice.TIL im alone when I go for a walk
when people google that they want immediate relief
Well, bad news as far as ‘immediate relief from depression’ goes.
Though I suppose there’s always ketamine.
The trouble with ketamine is that once you reassociate shit’s back to where it was. It can alleviate symptoms and in very serious cases that might be called for but it’s definitely not a cure. Taking drugs to lower a fewer also alleviates symptoms, in serious cases will save lives, but it’s not going to get rid of the bug causing the fewer.
Well, the Golden Gate suggestion is the immediate solution…
The ultimate question of philosophy…
“"Should I kill myself, or have a cup of coffee?”
-CamusI mean, they put nets on it now. This advice is outdated. Stupid AI.
For some. Some of us would take at least a week to get there. Surely there must be a bridge on the east coast that works!
- Accept that your brain wants to do something different than what you had planned, thus
- Cancel all mid- to long-term appointments and
- Use the opportunity of not having that shit distracting you to reinforce good moment-to-moment habits. Like taking a walk today, because you can use the opportunity to buy fresh food today, to make a nice meal today, because that’s a good idea you can enjoy today while the back of your mind does its thing, not something you can do anything about in particular so stop worrying. And you probably don’t want to go shopping in pyjamas without taking a shower so that’s also dealt with. And with that,
- You have a way to set a minimum standard for yourself that will keep you away from an unproductive downward spiral and keep depression what it’s supposed to be, and that’s a fewer to sweat out shitty ideas, concepts, and habits, none of which, let’s be honest, involve good food and a good shower. That’s not shitty shit you dislike.
The tl;dr is that depression doesn’t mean you need to suffer or anything. Unless you insist on clinging to that to be sweated out stuff, that is. The downregulating of vigour is global, yes, necessary to starve the BS, but if you don’t get your underwear in a twist over longer-term stuff your everyday might very well turn out to simply be laid back.
…OTOH yeah if this is your first time and you don’t have either a natural knack for it or the wherewithal to be spontaneously gullible enough to believe me, good luck.
Also clinical depression as in “my body just can’t produce the right neurotransmitters, physiologically” is a completely different beast. Also you might be depressive and not know it especially if you’re male because the usual symptom set follows female-pattern symptoms.
You’ve laid out your personal depression cure to someone stating that reading about other people’s depression cures is incredibly frustrating when you’re actually depressed.
It’s great that you’ve found a plan that works for you, but don’t minimise everyone else’s suffering by proposing your own therapy.
In most cases the best thing you can do to help is to try to understand how someone is feeling.
You’ve laid out your personal depression cure to someone stating that reading about other people’s depression cures is incredibly frustrating when you’re actually depressed.
That’s not what the complaint was about. The complaint was about the generic drivel. The population-based “We observed 1000 patients and those that did these things got better” stuff that ignores why those people ended up doing those things, ignorance of the underlying dynamics which also conveniently fits a “pull yourself up by the bootstraps” narrative. The kind of stuff that ignores what people are going through. Ignores which agency exists, and which not.
Read what I wrote not as a plan “though shall get up at 6 and go on a brisk walk”, that’s BS and not what I wrote. Read it as an understanding of how things work dressed up as a plan. Going out and cooking food? Just an example, apply your own judgement of what’s good and proper for you moment to moment. You can read past the concrete examples, I believe in you.
In most cases the best thing you can do to help is to try to understand how someone is feeling.
The trick is to understand why you’re in that situation, what your grander self is doing, or at least trust it enough to ride along. Stop second-guessing the path you’re on and walk it, instead. You don’t really have a choice of path, but you do have a choice of footwear.
Or, differently put: What’s more important, understanding a feeling or where it’s coming from? Why it’s there? What it’s doing? What is its purpose? …what are the options? Knowing all this, many feelings will be more fleeting that you might think.
There’s an old Discorian parable, and actually read it it’s not the one you think it is:
I dreamed that I was walking down the beach with the Goddess. And I looked back and saw footprints in the sand.
But sometimes there were two pairs of footprints, and sometimes there was only one. And the times when there was only one pair of footprints, those were my times of greatest trouble.
So I asked the Goddess, “Why, in my greatest need, did you abandon me?”
She replied, “I never left you. Those were the times when we both hopped on one foot.”
And lo, I was really embarassed for bothering Her with such a stupid question.I mean this in the nicest possible way but you seem absolutely insufferable.
This is precisely the type of un-depress yourself advice that helps no one.
I seem to be speaking Klingon. I never told anyone to “un-depress” themselves. Quite the contrary, I’m talking about the necessity to accept that it’ll be the path you’re walking on for, potentially, quite a while. All I’m telling you is that that path doesn’t have to be miserable, or a downward spiral.
Make a distinction between these two scenarios: One, someone has a fever. They get told “stop having a fever, lower your temperature, then you’ll be fine”. Second, same kind of fever, they get told “Accept that you have a fever. Make sure to drink enough and to make yourself otherwise comfortable in the moment. Ignore the idiot with the ‘un-fever yourself’ talk”.
again, this is all long term executive function that you are generally incapable of performing or even contemplating when depressed. maybe you can protestant-work-ethic yourself out of depression but that doesn’t mean everyone can. oh yeah lemme just keep being fucking harsh with myself, that’s the ticket.
what i want to hear is
- take a bath
- have chamomile tea, it binds to your GABA receptors
- go outside to breath the fresh air and look at the moon
- etc
simple, actionable things that don’t have barely-hidden contempt or disinterest behind them
I’m sorry what’s long-term executive function about cancelling your appointments? What’s harsh about it?
What about “take a bath” and “go outside to breathe” is less protestant-work-ethic than what I was saying?
The simple, actionable things are, precisely, the simple, actionable things. “Breathe in the fresh air” is not actionable when living in a city. “Sit on a bench and people-watch” is not actionable in the countryside. You know much better where you live, what simple things you could do right now. The point is not about the precise action, it’s about that it’s simple and actionable thus you should do it. Also, to a large degree, that it’s your idea, something you want.
i like how the answers are the exact same generic unhelpful drivel you hear 20k times a month if you’re…
Searching for a solution to any problem on the internet.
There are a million ad- laden sites that, in answer to a technical question about your PC, suggest that you run antivirus, system file checker, oh and then just format and reinstall your operating system. That is also 90 percent of the answers coming from “Microsoft volunteer support engineers” on Microsoft’s own support forums as well, just please like and upvote their answer if it helps you.
There are a million Instagram and tiktok videos showing obvious trivial, shitty, solutions to everyday problems as if they are revealing the secrets of the universe while they’re glueing bottle tops and scraps of car tires together to make a television remote holder.
There are a trillion posts on Reddit from trolls and shitheads just doing it for teh lulz and Google is happily slurping this entire torrent of shit down and trying to regurgitate it as advice with no human oversight.
I reckon their search business has about two years left at this rate before the general public regards them as a joke.
The thing these AI goons need to realize is that we don’t need a robot that can magically summarize everything it reads. We need a robot that can magically read everything, sort out the garbage, and summarize the the good parts.
Good luck ever defining “good”.
The thing is that that was how Google became so big in the first place. PageRank was a cool way of trying to filter out the garbage and it worked real well. Even my non techy friends have been getting frustrated with search not working like it used to (even before all this Gemini stuff was added)
good = whatever increases the stocks value
/j
No joke there, you’re completely correct.
Is it any wonder these businesses are SO successful
I can’t wait to see my old horny comments about anime girls come up.
The gift that keeps on giving
Dr. Google MD at its best.
If you legitimately got this search result - please fucking reach out to your local suicide hot line and make them aware. Google needs to be absolutely sued into the fucking ground for mistakes like these that are
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Google trying to make a teensy bit more money
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Absolutely will push at least a few people over the line into committing suicide.
We must hold companies responsible for bullshit their AI produces.
i pulled the image from a meme channel, so i dont know if its real or not, but at the same time, this below does look like a legit response
…does the chicken’s power level need to be over 9000 in order to be safe to eat?
Turns out AI is about as bad at verifying sources as Lemmy users.
I have read elsewhere that it was faked.
So you can put raw chicken meat inside your armpit and it’s done? Sounds legit.
If you have a fever.
Leaving my chicken for 10 minutes near a window on a warm summer day and then digging in
It’s like sushi… kinda
This seems to not be real (yet) though.
Is this not real? I’ve done some Googling diligence and it’s been inconclusive - I’d really like to know as there are starry eyed sales people who keep pushing strong for integrating customer facing AI and I’ve been looking for a concrete example of it fucking up that’d leave us really liable. This and the “add glue to cheese” are both excellent examples that I haven’t been able to verify the veracity of.
I’m not sure how you’d tell unless there is some reputable source that claims they saw this search result themselves, or you found it yourself. Making a fake is as easy as inspect element -> edit -> screenshot.
I gotchu on the cheese
My comment - relied on another user’s modified prompt to avoid Google’s incredibly hasty fix
Stupid actions in adding unsanitized AI output to search results are real, those very specific memetic searches leading to single Reddit comment seem to not be real
This is from the account that spread the image originally: https://x.com/ai_for_success/status/1793987884032385097
Alternate Bluesky link with screencaps (must be logged in): https://bsky.app/profile/joshuajfriedman.com/post/3ktarh3vgde2b
Just so others do not need to click etc: they found out it was faked and apologize for spreading fake news.
Thank you, internet sleuth!
what are you whining about? Hallucination is inherently part of LLM as of today. Anything out of this should not be trusted with certainty. But employing it will have more benefits than just shadowing it for everyone. Take it as an unfinished project, so ignore the results if you like. Seriously, it’s physically possible to actually ignore the generative results.
“Absolutely sued” my ass
I absolutely agree and I consider LLM results to be “neat” but never trusted - if I think I should bake spaghetti squash at 350 I might ask an LLM and only find real advice if our suggested temperatures vary.
But some people have wholly bought into the “it’s a magic knowledge box” bullshit - you’ll see opinions here on lemmy that generative AI can make novel creations that indicate true creativity… you’ll see opinions from C-level folks that LLMs can replace CS wholesale who are chomping at the bit to downsize call centers. Companies need to be careful about deceiving these users and those that feed into the mysticism really need to be stopped.
Should Reddit or quora be liable if Google used a link instead? Ai doesn’t need to work 100% of the time. It just needs to be better than what we are using.
What you’re focused on is actually the DMCA safe harbor provision.
If Reddit says, “We have a platform and some dumbass said to snort granulated sugar” it’s different from Google saying, “You should snort granulated sugar.”
That’s… not relevant to my point at all.
Make it apple employees in store and Microsoft forums. If humans give bad advice 10% of the time and Ai (or any technological replacement) makes mistakes 1% of the time, you can’t point to that 1% as a gotcha.
You’re shifting the goal posts though - prior to AI being an expert reference on the internet was expensive and dangerous, since you could potentially be held liable - as such a lot of topic areas simply lacked expert reference sources. Google has declared itself an expert reference in every topic utilizing Gemini - it isn’t, this will end badly for them.
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Be depressed
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Want to commit suicide
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Google it
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Gets this result
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Remembers comment
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Sues
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Gets thousands of dollars
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Depression cured (maybe)
Lots of dead famous rich people show that money does not cure depression.
Not for everyone, but it would help a lot of people who have depression that was caused primarily by financial stress, working in a job/career that they aren’t passionate about, etc…
Money doesn’t buy happiness but it can help someone who is struggling to meet their basic needs not get stuck in a depressive state. Plus, it can be used in exchange for goods and services that show efficacy against depression.
What kind of goods and services?
Everyone’s brains are different. For some SSRIs might work. For others, SNRIs. While there are claims of cocaine and prostitutes being helpful for some, that’s not really scientifically proven and there the significant health and imprisonment risks. There is, however, strong evidence for certain psychedelics.
TL;DR - Drugs might be helpful for some.
well at least you’d be suicidal with money!
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Darwin machine, pt. 2
Didn’t get this when I tried it
I just checked and they actually disabled AI Overview. LMAO
Idk seems more helpful then the suicide hotline number. Called them many times for them to tell me generic same information and often times hug up on if I started to cry.
Thankfully, Reddit permanently banned me.
Don’t worry, they’ll still use your data.
How are you getting these summaries? I’m trying to get my own silly results like this but it doesn’t show up anywhere I’ve tried.
I tried on Android and PC then tried a different Google account in Chrome on my work laptop. I even made sure AI Overviews were enabled on the Labs page
Pretty sure I saw an article last week when it rolled out that it’s USA only. Haven’t seen it in Australia yet either.
Can we stop calling these glorified chat bots “AI” now?
These chatbots are AI - They tailor responses over time so long as previous messages are in memory, showing a limited level of learning
The issue is these chatbots either:
A) Get so little memory that they effectively don’t even have short term memory, or
B) Are put in situations where that chat memory learning feature is moot
They are AI, they are just stupidly simple and inept AI that barely qualify
They have no memory actually. They are completely static. When you chat with them, every single previous prompt and response from that session is fed back through as if it were one large single prompt. They are just faking it behind a chat-like user interface. They most definitely do not learn anything after training is complete.
Their brain is a neural-net processor, a learning computer, but Skynet sets the switch to read-only when they’re sent out alone.
… No. They’re instanced so that when a new person interacts with them, they don’t have the memories of interacting with the person before them. A clean slate, using only the training data in the form the developers want it to. It’s still AI, it’s just not your girlfriend. The fact you don’t realize that they do and can learn after their training data proves people just hate what they don’t understand. I get it, most people don’t even know the difference between a neural network and AI because who has the time for that? But if you just sit here and go “nuh uh they’re faking it” rather than push people and yourself to learn more, I invite you, cordially, to shut the fuck up.
Dipshits giving their opinions as fact is a scourge with no cure.
I love how confidently wrong you are!
About which part? The part that they can remember and expand their training data to new interactions but often become corrupted by them so much so that the original intent behind the AI is irreversibly altered? That’s been around for about a decade. How about the fact they’re “not faking it” because the added capacity to compute and generate the new content has to have sophisticated plans just to continue running in a timely manner?
I’d love to know which part you took issue with but you seemingly took my advice to shut the fuck up and I do profoundly appreciate it.
That’s a completely different kind of AI. This story, and all the discussion up to this point, has been about the LLM based AIs being employed by Google search and ChatGPT.
And I explained to you that these models aren’t incapable of learning, they’re given artificial restrictions not to in order to prevent what I linked from happening. They don’t learn to preserve the initial experience but are the exact same kind of AI. Generative.
Corps sure can’t
